Webinar: Dante AV: The Ease of Dante, Now for Video
July 21, 2021
Join Audinate, Bolin Technology and Patton Electronics to see how easy it is to enable high quality video interoperability over standard 1 Gbps networks. Listen and see how the first Dante AV video-over-IP networking platform is enabling a new ecosystem of cameras, encoders and decoders that are now commercially available.
Dante AV delivers video-over-IP that is perfectly integrated with Dante, the de facto standard in audio networking, and is completely compatible with any of the 3000+ Dante audio products on the market. Dante AV provides astonishing 4K60 video quality using the 1 Gbps networks already in place at customer sites, employing a network efficient JPEG2000 codec.
In this webinar you’ll learn:
- How the new products from Bolin and Patton allow you to efficiently create complete Dante AV systems.
- How Dante Controller gives you complete control over your system without separate splitters or matrix switches.
- How Dante AV makes it easy to independently send video and audio signals anywhere
- How your existing network infrastructure can deliver uncompromising video quality
Questions and Answers
Questions for Bolin
Questions for Patton
Q) Price for the Patton FPX6000?
Q) Can be ordered from where in Europe? It isn‘t possible to Preorder on the website although it says so.
Yes! We have a growing channel of partners globally. Contact [email protected] to be connected with a Western Europe partner in your region.
Q) Will Patton be at NAB this fall?
Due to COVID, we are limiting our trade show presence. We will, however have persons present at all major tradeshows at the Audinate booth as well as some of our distribution partners.
Q) Patton: Will you be offering card based encoders & decoders (card frame)?
At this point we do not have plans for a card based solution.
Q) warehouse too in EU?
We are currently building our distribution network. If you have interest in being a stocking distributor in Europe, please contact [email protected]
Q) Dante Decoder compatible for vidéo-wall application?
The Patton FPX6000 provides AV transport infrastructure and therefore can support any video endpoints that support up to 4K60 4:4:4.
Q) Can the decoder arrange multi-image content using multiple sources to be shown on single screen?
At this point, the FPX6000 provides an AV transport infrastructure. It is not an advanced video processor, however this sort of functionality is on our roadmap.
Q) Can the encoder and decoder manage HDCP protected content?
Q) What's the difference between Fiberplex 6000 and Bolin's decoder?
The great thing about DanteAV is it’s interoperability. Since both Patton’s FPX6000 and Bolin’s decoder support the full functionality of DanteAV, they are functionally very similar. Patton has taken extra care to manage heat which keeps the unit quieter during operation. In addition, Patton FiberPlex products are designed to have mission critical durability and flexible mounting options.
Questions for Audinate
Q) The only times I ever used av over ip there was no ability to power condensors with 48v. Is that still a thing, or maybe just the system I used?
Condensor power is easily supplied by nearly any Dante-enabled mic preamp, and is not a function of networking.
Q) This stuff is fine for distro, what about production gear? Video mixing, layering, etc.
The JPEG2000 codec used by Dante AV is suitable for many video compositing tasks. The intraframe nature of the codec allows for frame edge processing and editing, and it does not degrade through multi-generational encoding. Dante AV can be ingested by and processed with non-linear equipment using appropriate input adaptation. In the future you can expect to see SDI endpoints, as well as PCIe adapter cards. Dante AV, as a complete technology stack, can be ported to support uncompressed video technologies as well. These implementations would be up to OEMs to deliver to market.
Q) is there an existing 3rd party API tie in for making these routes?
No. The Dante API is proprietary for use by OEMs at this time. Audinate does provide OEMs with an SDK so that they can develop their own management and control interface within Dante Controller.
Q) If already certified with Dante Level 3 and DDM, would there be a separate Certification to obtain Dante AV certification? 2) What are the differences between Dante AV vs NDI5
1) There is a Dante AV elective now available as part of the Dante Certification Program.
2) NDI 5 is an umbrella for several things, MPEG2 and H.264 based codecs, NDI transport, and software tools. Dante AV is similar in that it provides codec control support, currently for the JPEG2000 intraframe codec, packetization, and software tools. Beyond this Dante AV provides network clocking and time synchronization for perfect lip sync, audio and video essence separation so that endpoint devices can be built for just the function they perform, ancillary data channels for USB|Serial|CEC|IR, HDCP 2.x encryption, and converged management of both video and audio using Dante Controller or Dante API (for OEMs building their own management solutions). Soon we will also have support for Dante Domain Manager control and management, and we expect to see OEMs rolling out SDI products as well as HDMI. Dante time management makes it suitable for SDI over IP. NDI was designed for low cost broadcast, while Dante AV is designed for both broadcast and installed AV. NDI 5 and Dante AV are very different.
Q) Does this support Axia Livewire? 2) If compared to NDI what is the difference?
1) No, Dante is not LiveWire.
2) NDI is an umbrella for several things: MPEG2 and H.264 based codecs, NDI transport, and software tools. The codecs currently supported by NDI, as MPEG based, are natively interframe and have compression ratios which are much higher than Dante AV. Compression really matters on large format displays, video walls, and projection systems. And without common clocking and synchronization, aligning audio and video can be difficult and unpredictable. Dante AV is similar in that it provides codec control support, currently for the JPEG2000 intraframe codec, packetization, and software tools. Beyond this Dante AV provides network clocking and time synchronization for perfect lip sync, audio and video essence separation so that endpoint devices can be built for just the function they perform, ancillary data channels for USB|Serial|CEC|IR, native VISCA over IP|VISCA over Serial|VISCA over Dante support, HDCP 2.x encryption, and converged management of both video and audio using Dante Controller or Dante API (for OEMs building their own management solutions). Soon we will also have support for Dante Domain Manager control and management, and we expect to see OEMs rolling out SDI products as well as HDMI. Dante time management makes it suitable for SDI over IP. NDI was designed for low cost broadcast, while Dante AV is designed for both broadcast and installed AV. NDI 5 and Dante AV are very different.
Q) Are other brands going to join Dante AV?
Oh yes. We have a list and can't say anything else ;)
Q) Are there other brands going to implement Dante AV soon?
There are certainly other brands and more products coming - but we can't talk about them until those manufacturers announce them. In addition to Patton and Bolin, Yamaha has announced themselves as a Dante AV adopter.
Q) Is there a wider bandwidth HDR version in the pipeline?
HDR10 is slated for a future Dante AV update and will enable HDR on currently announced products.
Q) Seemingly, a lot of AV over IP implementations are too high power consumption for a practical wall plate design. What about Dante AV? Also, I did not hear anything about compression or bandwidth. I would like to know more
Power consumption is a function of each OEM's implementation as well as our own. Most products will likely recommend 802.3bt PoE supplies. There is development work ongoing by OEMs for passive cooling solutions which we hope to see in the market soon. With active cooling solutions currently available, wall plates are challenging. A) Dante AV as a technology is codec-agnostic, meaning it could carry differnet protocols. The products available today use JPEG2000 for a low-latency, time synchronized, visually lossless, with deep color support signal. Bandwith is a function of compression (quality), resolution, frame rate, color depth, chroma subsampling, and audio sampling. Bandwidth can range from less than 100Mbps up to 700Mbps. Bandwidth tuning and control are also available.
Q) Will I be able to control Dante AV connections using TCP or UDP commands from third-party controllers (Crestron, AMX, etc.) ? Which USB standards are supported over Dante AV (2.0, 3.0, etc)?
Dante and Dante AV are controllable by the Dante API. So, external control could be built in to controllers like you're suggesting, but this is very new at the moment. I don't believe they have announced anything at this time. OEMs are provided with an SDK for development of custom plug ins in Dante Controller for their Dante AV devices. Using this SDK, OEMs can build custom management for their Dante AV devices which is built right into Dante Controller. A) USB control over Dante is really meant for keyboard and mouse control (USB HID). Dante AV also supports serial, IR, CEC as well as VISCA.
Q) Is there a Dante enabled Video Switcher? Given that Dante is typically delivered over a 20GB ethernet switch, and the audio only inhabits 1GB of the bandwidth, why only 1GB for video as well? As in, rater than provide for 19 video streams on the same switch, will there be an effort to throttle up the video as desired? I am seeing this as a means of replacing Video Satelittle in an Avid ecosystem. All Dante devices are 1 GBPS. You can plug them into faster switches, but each port will remain 1 GBPS. The only advantage you might have is a larger truck capaci
There are no video switchers for Dante AV currently announced. Dante AV supports multicast and unicast distribution, scaling, and is network switchable. Dante AV video and audio are time synchronized so that routing through processing and switching can be easily managed. As for bandwidth and network speeds, you are correct that the Dante AV PDS reference design uses a 1Gbps Ethernet Phy. Dante, as a software implementation running on reference hardware, can be made to support other physical media and speeds. We expect this to happen over time and come from our OEM partners. A compressed Dante AV channel can be <100Mbps depending on content settings. So it is possible to have many channels occupy the single 1Gbps segment. And with multicast support, using IGMP, you can groom your port/segment utilization to get the most of the available bandwidth.
Q) Any plans on making a PTZ Dante camera with interchangeable lenses? Bolin: Why no hdmi transmitter? Is it possible to control the Dante controller matrix through network, like OSC messages or another protocol to recall a preset for example with another matric layout? About True sync, is there a reference latency for manufacturers so that once the signal gets out of the dante hardware it's still synced even though I would use different companies transmitter and recievers? How many video streams can coexist on a 1gig network? Is there a plan to make an audinate AVIO with a basic HDMI in and an other one with HDMI out ? Is the entertainemnt industry too small to be considered among the other sectors?
The question on video output timing for products is less of a question on product as much as it is on design. The playout from the Dante AV chipset in the product would be consistent. However, if different manufacturers use different decoders, video output formats or add video processing, the signal path (outside of Dante AV) is different, and therefore could vary in latency. This is why multi-image displays are typically done with the same video decoder model throughout. The number of video streams that can exist on a 1Gbps network is not a practical limitation. The number of video streams on a 1Gbps link would depend on settings for resolution, frame rate and chroma among others. On whether the entertainment industry is "too small" to be considered, of course not. We just announced a webinar on a collaboration with the Blue Note Entertainment Group, which should be very, very interesting.
Q) If I have 4 encoders in a system and 6 decoders. Can I change the routing using a 3rd party control system ie AMX, Crestron or Extron?
Same as above about controllers.
Q) How do I re-route a stream on the fly without Dante controller? For example using a control system or similar?
Dante Controller or a product that uses the Dante API are necessary to change routes of any kind.
Q) What is the latency on a video signal running at 4kp60 4:4:4 and how many streams can it accomodate
On the Dante AV PDS reference design, we are able to achieve 8ms latency from HDMI input to HDMI output at 60fps, regardless of resolution. 16ms at 30fps. Depending on bit depth and compression level/quality, you could expect a single Dante AV 4K60 4:4:4 to require 400 to 700Mbps.
Q) Does it connect to OBS? How many camera's 1080 can be connected to one system switch?
Dante AV is currently only implemented as hardware, so you would need to receive and decode Dante AV JPEG2000 in hardware and then deliver it to OBS for processing. Depending on frame rate, bit depth, chroma subsample and compression/quality, Dante AV JPEG2000 can run at <100Mbps up to 700Mbps in 1920x1080. If you assumed 1080p30 4:2:2 8bit, you would be around 70Mbps. Switch capacity will vary based on backplane capacity. Non blocking switches are recommended.
Q) who other than Bolin makes video kit compatible? (nothing wrong with Bolin). How does Dante video compare with NDI in terms of bandwidth and latency? Is it possible to control bandwidth of IP video feeds hitting the network? Can we expect to have audio and video sync when running across subnets or even going over the air - albeit with additional latency? Clock is maintained by keeping audio and video in a common PTP domain, which can cross subnets or be coordinated via GPS.
Patton Electronics and Bolin both have products released. In general, Dante AV will have lower and more consistent latency than NDI. More important, since Dante AV is aligned to a network clock, you will have better synchronization of endpoints, both audio and video. Bandwidth is a function of content. However, Dante AV supports bandwidth tuning and smoothing in order to maintain targets. If you want to use less bandwidth you will need to make a compromise between resolution, frame rate, compression, bit depth, or chroma. Keeping clocks synchronized across subnets is a feature we are working on. Would most likely be implemented like Dante audio works through Dante Domain Manager.
Q) Is there a need for hardware modules like Dante Brooklyn II for the hardware vendors? How do I get the Dante AV into a computer?
Dante AV is implemented using the Dante AV Module, which is similar in concept to Brooklyn II. Other formats/implementations of Dante AV are in development. Currently the only way to get Dante AV into a computer is to use a hardware endpoint and route it into the computer through and HDMI capture device.
Q) Does the bandwidth requirement for video differ from traditional Dante Audio? Similarly to Dante Virtual Soundcard - are the any plans to roll out a Dante Virtual Video App? Will you build in the ability to choose from multiple video compression codecs - H265 / H265 etc?
Dante AV video channels can use from <100Mbps to 700Mbps. So significantly more than audio. We cannot discuss unannounced products, so you and speculate about a Dante Virtual Video App. Dante AV is designed to allow for a variety of codecs. We have instrumented control and transport with this in mind. When multiple codecs are available, you could expect transparent routings through transcoders from one codec to another to be handled by Dante AV, making the codec transparent to the end user.
Q) Does Dante AV work over the WAN? Can someone speak to use over the WAN? Can I place the camera in a remote site with VPN and control from a PTZ controller in a Studio
Dante AV was recently run over a WAN between New York, Washington DC, and Nashville by Peltrix for a live jazz event where musicians in different locations played together in real time. This was over a dedicated fiber link between facilities. So yes, Dante AV works over a WAN. Running over the public Internet using a VPN is less certain and will depend on your last mile links, congestion, etc. However, if you have a reliable connection, then there is no reason you could not use Dante AV to remotely manage a remote facility.
Q) As AV-over-IP is a data network and the system is highly relying on the date software which runs on a computer, how would I go about to input any kind of video data from any computer into the network ? Is this doable from any random PC or will I always need some sort of hardware encoder to send my video onto the IP network ?
AV-over-IP is just regular computer networking. Anything that affects the network affects the AV."""" For now you will need Dante AV hardware in order to get video in and out of a PC. CEC is a two way protocol. Dante AV will support two way CEC for basic functions. It is not recommended to use Dante AV over wireless at this time.
Q) Thanks for the presentation. Please I hope it can work with Bosch Public Address System?
As the audio in Dante AV is Dante audio, it is completely compatible with all Dante audio devices.
Q) Is the camera the same spec as birddog 4K NDI camera with same access to camera settings
The Bolin camera supports up to 4K60 4:4:4 with 20x optical zoom. It also supports full VISCA and a broad range of state of art capabilities.
Q) If Dante AV supports RS-232, could there be an adapter in the future, which does simply that? IP (RJ45) to RS-232 (D-sub 9) That doesn't seem like a Dante device per se. There are many RS-232 network implementations out the
A Serial Over Dante adapter does not exist today, but we are working on technology which would enable this.
Q) Do the Dante video signals reduce the audio channel count when used on the same 1GB network?
All bandwidth consumption affects maximums, there is no free lunch. There is, fortunately, math to figure this out!
Q) Question about the IO to Dante AV. Is Does there exist a SDI to Dante AV bridge? Can you change the delay in de audio to have audio and video lipsync?
There is no SDI to Dante AV bridge available as of this writing, yet. Audio can be buffered/delayed at the tx unit for up to 300ms so that video and audio depart at precisely the same time, then then audio devices can make small buffering adjustments for fine tuning.
Q) How I can control Dante AV from CRESTRON control processor?
If Crestron incorporates Dante API for Dante AV into their tools.
Q) Can I split the audio from the video and send the audio to different location
Q) How does this compare to Crestron NVX?
Q) What are the pros and cons of Dante AV versus Video-over-IP and NDI?
Q) Compare performance to AVB.
Q) How do the network requirements/architecture compare to the other leading AVoIP solutions?
Q) Any 10Gig interfaces to arrive soon with fiber connection for any endpoints ?
We have passed this along to OEMs for implementation.
Q) Can the camera control network be separated from the Dante network? So does that mean you can't delay video separately from the audio?
Camera control can be implemented over Dante using serial, VISCA over IP, VISCA over serial, or VISCA over Dante.A capable managed switch can VLAN tag based on protocol to segregate the control traffice from data traffic on the switch port. Control and video would transit the same link from source to switch port.
Q) How is Dante AV different from SDVoE or HDBaseT?
SDVoE is a 10Gbps technology. It cannot be run over 1Gbps networks. HDBaseT is a point to point technology and is not Ethernet. It cannot be routed and cannot use standard IT Ethernet equipment. Dante AV is a standards compliant, TCP/IP over Ethernet solution that can run over 1Gbps networks.
Q) Just like Kyle said there are many AV/IP solutions for particular applications. Will Dante AV be a solution that provides software based video switching/production like NewTek/Tricaster? Or will Dante AV always be an encoder to decoder application? 1 to 1 or 1 to many.
We cannot comment on unannounced products. At the time of this writing, Dante AV is still a hardware based solution.
Q) Dante AV is automatically setup for multicast?
Q) Is there any roadmap for Dante Controller to be controlled by other devices, such as a streamdeck?
We cannot comment on unannounced products. However, OEMs can build their own control solutions using Dante API. They also have access to the SDK for building Dante AV plugins for Dante Controller.
Q) Will there be a software similar to dante virtual soundcard, but for video, allowing streaming of the computer desktop? And if USB control works with dante av, would this be a solution for remote control of computers?
Yes Dante AV can be used for remote desktop applications.
Q) Working with a University IT team, what is the bandwidth expected from Video flows? Campus IT department is reluctant to allow Dante on their networks, what can I do to help persuade them that its predictable and secure?
I would recommend asking for a VLAN implementation with one for Dante audio and control and one with Dante AV video. We can answer questions about switch configuration for this. Dante balances security with ease of use. This is covered in our training as well. We provide best practices, etc. Adding Dante Domain Manager provides even more security.
Q) do you know if videoconference system industry is ready to use dante cameras ?
This can be done today by adding a HDMI capture device to a UC host device, then attaching a Dante AV decoder to it. There are some UC solutions which support Dante audio already using Dante Application Library. You can expect that similar capabilities for Dante AV will follow.
Q) Would love to see a way to convert NDI to DANTE AV that includes control and video.
Attach a Dante AV encoder to the video output of a computer running NDI. Control requires someone to develop it. Ask your Dante authorized OEM.
Q) How many other camera manufacturers are slated to adopt Dante Video? And will there be a license upcharge for Dante Video like there is NDI?
We can only speak about OEMs who have announced product, sorry. We cannot speak to end user pricing of Dante enabled devices, as that is determined by the OEM
Q) What are some key differneces from say a Just Add Power Vlan switching based system and Dante AV? Would Domain manager have these capabilities?
Just Add Power is a proprietary end user product. Dante is a technology built by many OEMs into thousands of different products. With Dante AV you can use Dante Controller to route video within a subnet. If you wanted to extend the subnet across a backbone, then you could use VLANs. The way that JAP does VLAN switching is something which Dante AV does not support.
Q) when to use multicast vs. DAV? How you see DAV in the pro-broadcast market?
See Above Dante AV can be run multicast or unicast. We expect to see Dante AV SDI interface devices soon. These will provide clock sync between the Dante time domain and the SDI domain. We see Dante being suitable to replace SDI for ingest and NDI for distribution. One solution that can do both.
Q) Can the DANTE packets be tagged where the network enforces TOS/QOS/DSCP to prioritize certain types of traffic? Yes, we have always supported QoS DSCP.
Tagging would be accomplished by the switch. There are several manufacturers providing preset configurations suitable for Dante and Dante AV.
Q) Any info on future or existing VTC Codec's with Dante audio and video?
Q) Any plans to develop a Linux based Dante AVIO/VSC or VIA? Dante Embedded Platform is our package for embedded Linux used by OEMs. We do not produce any user-facing software for Linux desktop.
Q) Do you have any plan to get Microsoft Teams Meeting Room certification?
Q) Are there any plans to implement a "presets" dashboard for easier preset recall? Is there going to be a virtual video card?
Q) Patton: Will you be offering card based encoders & decoders (card frame)?
Q) VIA or DVS for Linux?
Q) Are there plans to incorporate Dante AV into production switchers? Any other manufacturers in the pipeline that you can share that will be compatible with Dante AV?
Q) Are you anticipating Dante Projectors?
Q) Are there any SDI Dante video dongles coming out?
We cannot comment on unreleased products.
Q) is it point to point or can it be daisy chained?
Dante AV is networked. It can be run unicast point to point, or multicast point to multipoint. Networks can be extended using bridges and STP so in a way, yes you can daisy chain.
Q) Is there another qos tag for video too? Is it possible to use multicast streams in video steams (like it is possible to do audio)?
There currently is not a separate DSCP tag for video from audio. This will be available in a later release. For now a capable managed switch can separate the video from the audio and control using packet inspection. Yes, Dante AV behaves just like Dante audio and can be distributed via multicast or unicast.
Q) Did you consider TICO implementation to minimize latencies? Does Bolin also have SDVoE camera products?
We did consider many different codecs. We started with JPEG 2000 because it offer the best possible quality, lowest latency, and overall performance in a 1Gbps profile. TICO, JPEGXS, and others really require more than 1Gbps in order to deliver the same quality. This said, Dante AV can be built to support any of these codecs.
Q) If I'm using a Dante AV enabled camera to livestream, is there an application on the computer that can decode the video to allow the live streaming software (OBS, vMix, et cetera) to accept the video input, or will a decoder and capture card be necessary to send the video through the software?
At present you will need a Dante AV hardware device into a HDMI capture.
Q) Is video of IP going to work on wifi? Will your controller be able to use my existing security cameras? Can you mix the dante network with the corp network?
We do not recommend wireless for Dante AV. We recommend that Dante and Dante AV be run on their own VLANs if possible. For QoS management, security, etc it would be a best practice. If you cannot run VLANs, Dante and Dante AV will still work.
Q) Why is audio limited to 8 channels? I have 13 mics.
The audio from the Dante AV encoder is limited to 8 channels, but you can certainly have as many Dante mics as you want. For instance the Patton encoder can deembed 8 channels of HDMI and put them into discrete Dante audio channels. And you could add your 5 more mics just using AVIO or other Dante. There is one caveat, that if you want to delay the audio more than 10ms to slow down for video (like a slower camera) then you will either need to send the audio to a DSP or back to the Dante AV encoder, which has sufficient buffers to hold the audio so that it will leave in sync with the video.
Q) how many channels of video can you have in a 48ch audio dante system?
It depends on your network switch, the resolution, frame rate, chroma, bit depth and compression of the video. Your switch should be non-blocking (i.e. the backplane can support all of the ports it has). It would certainly be possible on the right switch to have 48 channels of Dante AV video too.
Q) Is it actually any length? By any length, tcp/ip limits at 300m. What is the length limit of dante?
Dante AV is fully compliant with IEEE 802.3 so you are limited by Ethernet. Of course that is a single segment. You can extend with bridges.
Q) How does the higher bandwidth of video affect the network spec and unicast/multicast setup?
The details of the specification will be covered in Dante AV training courses. The main things that are affected by Dante AV in specifying your network are in switch characteristics. You will need a capable managed 1Gbps switch with non block backplane. If you have 10ports of 1Gbps you need 10Gbps of backplane speed. And you should look at your uplinks too. Being able to support both port based and tag based VLANs is helpful, as is DSCP QoS support. Of course you need to support IGMP and IGMP snooping. Just remember that a Dante AV video channel can consume up to 700Mbps if you configure it that way. You should not exceed 80% of your total bandwidth capacity.
Q) what buddy describes is smpte 2110, is that being used under the hood? Can yo change the lelvel of compression? if not what is your bandwidth output for a 4k signal. Does you implementation of JPEG2000 uses jumbo frames?
Dante AV is not SMPTE 2110. While similar, Dante provides a complete management solution, security, HDCP, ancillary data channels, VISCA support and more which would be standard in Dante and left to user definition under SMPTE 2110. You can tune many different characterists of a stream, including resolution, frame rate, chroma, bit depth, and compression/quality. This allows you to get anywhere from <100Mbps to 700Mbps. Dante AV does not use jumbo frames or AVB.
Q) Is there a software decoding SDK for Video?
Q) USB devices?
USB HID is supported over Dante AV
Q) is there an API for calling video routing? How is routing performed? Is the switching break-before-make or seamless?
Dante API is a low level API which is provided to our OEMs where they can instrument control. Routing is achieved using Dante Controller or Dante API. Right now switching is break before make, but seamless switching is being worked on.
Q) Can a layer 2 switched be used or does it have to be a layer 3?
All switches are by definition layer 2, so no problem. If you use an unmanaged hub (layer 2 forwarding with no ability to manage traffic), you can use Dante AV, but with more than 1 channel of video, you run the risk of congestion delays which would result in jitter and signal problems. If you are going to use more than 1 channel of video, you should use a managed switch.
Q) What is needed to make video work with Black Magic switchers?
Right now you need a hardware encoder and decoder feeding into the HDMI ports of BM. Some OEMs have SDI versions planned. More than this we cannot say.
Q) Is it possible to view the questions being asked by everyone? Is dante AV redundant like dante audio is? What is the max data rate for 4k60 with 8ch audio?
Dante AV video is not currently offered by any OEM in a redundant product.
Q) How do we share a desktop or laptop screen, e.g. YouTube?
Attach a Dante AV encoder to the video output of a computer.
Q) What are the existing products that can be ordered?
See Bolin and Patton or visit audinate.com.
Q) if just doing 1080p/30, can the data stream be throttled? Is latency for video pre-defined as with audio?
Bandwidth automatically adjusts to meet the source format. Latency defaults to fixed values but can be adjusted.
Q) warehouse too in EU? Dante Decoder compatible for vidéo-wall application?
Since Dante AV has time synchronization, you can build video walls using it for distribution. Features like bezel compensation, scaling, PIP, or edge blending for projection are up to OEMs to implement. Dante AV can support all of these capabilities.
Q) Just wondering what type of resolution the Dante AV will handle. EG: 4k 4:4:4 60
Yes it supports 4K60 4:4:4 at the top end.
Q) Will Audinate provide (security) camera switching via External control? GPIO buttons? IP software? Other than controller routing check box?
If a camera supports VISCA, then you can control it today. Dante AV supports serial over Dante, and OEMs can customize control. Dante API would allow OEMs to build such a solution.
Q) Are network video streams unicast, multicast, or both?
Q) Do you recommend shielded CAT cable for networked AV?
Depends on the installation, where you are running (plenum, in wall, in trench, conduit, etc) Generally shielded CAT cable is better for noisy environments.
Q) Are there any caveats with setting up a network with static IP addressing?
Nothing different than regular Dante.
Q) When will Dante Controller be compatible with new Mac Mini M1 chips?
Q) camera encoder latency shorter than standalone/hdmi encoder latency. Encoder latency?
The Dante AV PDS reference design delivers 8ms end to end latency HDMI to HDMI at 60fps.
Q) Currently, what resolution are supported on Dante AV?
Most standard HD and UHD resolutions and frame rates. Refer to the technical data sheet.
Q) what solution do you have to expand an exciting AV Switcher system, ie video distribution?
Right now OEMs are working on that. But we cannot comment on unreleased products.
Q) Will there ever be a possibility of a Dante AV to NDI bridge and vice versa? I'm sure someone will build one. We have a LOT of licensed OEMs
Q) Is audio used within JPEG 2000 available to Dante devices for example a Dante audio amp in a lobby or does the receiver have to be running a JPEG 2000 CO
We do not use the audio part of JPEG2000, only video. The Dante audio channels are entirely separate.
Q) What is the latency/delay time when it comes to camera control? is it ms or more?
Transport latency for Dante control streams is ms. But how cameras process servo commands is up the the OEM.
Q) Does the Bolin camera decoder have a USB output?
Yes, both the Patton and Bolin decoders have both a USB OTG port and USB A. USB HID can be routed completely independent of audio and video.
Q) Can the decoder arrange multi-image content using multiple sources to be shown on single screen? Q) Can the encoder and decoder manage HDCP protected content?
At present, the shipping Dante AV decoder products do not support PiP/multiviewer functions. This would be up to an OEM. Dante AV support HDCP 2.2 on the HDMI port and HDCP 2.3 over the network.
Q) Will control sources and control data such as gpio or IR be patchable also? Noticed something on the earlier demo.
Control signals are routed completely independent from video and audio.
Q) Is it right to assume that all of the legacy Dante Audio equipment could be "firmware" updated to transfer Video? Or does it need new hardware for doing that?
It needs new hardware
Q) Can Dante AV possibly use other video codecs other than JPEG2000 so it can work with the codecs on our products?
Yes, Dante AV can use other 1 Gbps codecs. However, that will limit its use to other devices that employ that same codec.
Q) Dante AV can work with stage lights? Dante has no connection with stage lights. If the lights are controlled with standard TCP/IP networking, they should be non-interfering over the same netwo
Dante has nothing to do with lighting systems. TCP/IP eliminates any interference between control and media.
Q) Does Dante AV support SDI?
Dante AV is neutral and can integrated into HDMI and SDI solutions.
Q) Will Dante Controller have a way to synchronize Audio with the 100ms (or 60ms) delayed Vid
The signals are 100% synced over the network, sync gets lost due to the large processing time in video endpoints. Dante Controller contains a delay adjustment for this.
Q) Cable runs how long can I run before reclocking
Cable length has nothing to do with clocking in AV-over-IP. Standard TCP/IP over Ethernet is always limited to 300ft per leg, and that has nothing to do with Dante.
Q) Is there a switch hardware recommendation? How many concurrent video sessions are supported on a typical consumer 1gbps swit
1) We only recommend a common non-blocking managed switch. Depending upon your plans, you may or may not need fiber and/or 10G uplinks or trunks.
2) That's really a question of how things are setup. Lower resolution allows more sources to be aggregated. Keep in mind that a 1 GBPS switch supports 1 GBPS on each port, all the time.
Q) What distance can be covered with your cameras?
With fiber for Ethernet, distances of several miles are possible.
Q) Any specific additional switch requirement over what was required for audio? What are the limitations with the number of channels (& streams) for video?
There is no such thing as an "AV-over-IP switch." Any network switch of adequate quality with work.
Q) Would a Raspberry Pi had enough CPU to host the controller? The controller is only compiled for Windows and Ma
At present, Dante Controller runs on MS Windows and Mac OS.
Q) Will Dante AV be supported in the existing DDM software? will this be an update or a new license? is there an API or other means to allow control of switching of streams between sources and desitnations from an external control system or only from Dante controller?
DDM is being updated to support Dante AV. Pricing has not been established. Right now only Dante Controller. However there is Dante API for OEMs to build their own system.
Q) What's the advantage of getting a Bolin 4k PTZ if the video is going to be compressed? Why not make them 108?
The compression is remarkably transparent. 4K looks like 4K, and 1080p looks like 1080p. You can easily reduce resolution to fit applications. Bolin does offer a 1080p Dante AV camera
Q) For anyone - is there a way to virtually treat a Dante source as a virtual input on a PC - ie webcam - like *ahem* NDI has?
Dante AV is currently only available as hardware.